ICSE or CBSE

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tan 2009-10-21 14:08:33

 

which board is better?  what to keep in mind when opting for the board? i am looking for my 3 year old boy's admission

pl. help

Thanks



tan 2009-10-28 12:59:57

 

thanks

I gone through this site but couldnt clear my concept

i am still confuse what to check before opting the board?

 

rajivcnair 2009-10-29 12:49:59

 

From what I gather, ICSE is a more pratical, though intensive approach. It would however depend on the ability of the child to handle the additional pressure which the ICSE syllabus will put.

In level of difficulty, SSC followed by CBSE followed by ICSE would be the order. However ICSE syllabus seems to be the most comprehensive & focusses on all round development.

 

This is a personal view. You may take further feedback.

 


tan 2009-10-30 10:44:29

 

Thanks Rajiv,

thats what i am looking for. Still i have a question in my mind that is every ICSE board follows the same syllabus? what i heard is, its different for every school School it self design the syllabus. am i right?

 

Thanks once again

 

 

NJ 2009-10-30 13:20:40

 

Rajiv,

What is your thoughts on a childs ability to handle the competitive indian exams if he has studied in IGCSE, IB boards.

 

finmgmt09 2009-11-01 00:48:58

 

could any one guide me, as i have heard that for entrance exams for engineering and medical , cbse students score better than icse board.

Thanks in advance

 

rajivcnair 2009-11-01 23:23:39

 

Hi,

Tough to say. I have seen local board kids do very well in competitive exams including IIT -JEE. I think it all depends on the childs ability & aptitude. School education sure lays the foundation but by no means is the end all (i.e. deciding factor).

 

Rajiv

 


mcs 2009-11-03 14:14:31

 

The syllabus of all ICSE schools ae same. the textbook and their presentation differs but otherwise little difference.

ICSE is more intense but a much better course.

 

tan 2009-11-03 17:07:28

 

I have some quest in my mind

1. for all the board (state, CBSE, ICSE) at board level exam they have to apper for the same exam?

2 marking sysytem is different or the same?

3 are they sharing the same admission craiteria for the further study

i am not aware of all this things and Mr. Kapil sibbal made it more difficult to understand.

 

 

mcs 2009-11-04 12:22:55

 

Dear Tan,

At this moment,(what Kapil Sibal does later may change things)

1. Each system has its own board exam.

2. Marking system is also different.

3. But they share the same admission criteria for further studies. Each board is on par with the other.

 

 

tan 2009-11-06 15:42:14

 

Thanks mcs

I really appriciate your answer It is very useful to me. and now i am little more clear then before.

Still i am eager to know that, Is it true that CBSE & ICSE student score low compare to State board student Due to their Exam level & Marking system?

 

mcs 2009-11-06 17:50:33

 

Dear Tan,

At the moment, the school board is crying foul as they feel the ICSE marking is too lenient and the children in this board are scoring more marks! In short, no, they do not score lesser in ICSE. This used to be the case a few years ago, so ICSE students were given a 5% extra during admission in colleges.

I am not sure about CBSE.

 

tan 2009-11-09 09:46:18

 

Thank u

You solved all my queryies.

so now what i understand is very clear & now i am looking for the ICSE board school for my child.

 

Thanx again.

 

 

navind 2009-11-20 00:18:45

 

i too went to check out exhaustively the diff between both...here are the links of most relevant views/input/counter argument .....i found ... its in the order of more clearer answer i found

i hope this would clear all the concepts surrounding the boards....only after this read i have opened up option of new  horizon school airoli.... as earlier i was under impression that cbse is tough nut to crack n very burdensome on kids...

inputs are welcomed...

www.shemford.com/blog/cbse-or-icse-what-suits-your-child/

 

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_difference_between_cbse_and_icse

 

http://r2blore.chitra-aiyer.com/2008/04/cbse-and-icse-2-obvious-syllabus-choices.html

 

http://www.indiastudychannel.com/forum/20156-CBSE-ICSE.aspx

 

http://meetmyguru.com/

 

http://www.indiaparenting.com/boards/showmessage.cgi?messageid=480&table_name=dis_problem_school

 

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060911051506AAxxa3G

 

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mom-is-the-word/entry/cbse-vs-icse-passing-by

 

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Test-of-boards-ICSE-scores-over-SSC-CBSE-/articleshow/520196.cms

 

http://www.indiamike.com/india/india-expat-area-f84/igcse-or-icse-cbse-t45670/

 

http://www.indiaparenting.com/boards/showmessage.cgi?messageid=1332&table_name=dis_problem_school

 

http://www.indiaparenting.com/boards/showmessage.cgi?messageid=4559&table_name=dis_nurseries

 

http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Advice_on_Examinations-97578-1.html

 

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080530020436AAwxubS

 

 

tan 2009-11-20 11:15:28

 

Hi ,

thank u for the links. I went through some of the link, still to check others.

But tell u all that it is more difficult to decide then what I thought of, really very hard to come on something.......

lets see

 

sheelurao 2009-11-24 13:37:04

 

  My daughter goes to a alternate  school  having IGCSE board. The board encourages thinking skills in children. I have also seen children from schools affiliated to this board doing well in competitive exmas. Though, i doubt any statistical sudfy has been done to find out which of these two boards children do well in competitive exams.

What you should be looking at is  which of these two boards encourages  lateral and vertical thinking in children. 

Its time parents start focussing on process based approaches than content based approaches. After all even if the  child studies avast content, I doubt if he would remember more than 10%  of it  after a few years. 

.sheelu

 

sheelurao 2009-11-25 13:14:01

 

The  boards are just an end and not the means to good education, Instead of spending too mush time on which board to choose, its important to direct all the energy  to identify   a good school which  at least makes an effort for wholistic development  .  Look for schools which encourages  learning beyond the repititive type, provides  for  an encouraging environment for children to grow and incorporates curricular elements which contribute to child development  .

The NCERT books used   by CBSE schools    are very good  and   they provide lots of scope for  intersting learning.  If the teachers deliver the program in its true spirit , Learning can become quite interesting for children

 The iCSE   Board  has  avery vast syllabus     and often in the pressure  to complete  , teachers   tend to adopt the text book approach.

Look for schools which  creates  a joy for learning .  After all learning is life long and

 the childs impression on what learning is is  created in the school.

 

 

 

navind 2009-11-25 21:02:20

 

great input sheelu rao....

keep them coming am sure it would help many of us now or later

i too changed my appraoch n now looking for good school, with good teachers n learning methodologies.....school environment plays a great role.....board is secondary now i feel

tc

 

mcs 2009-11-26 12:59:48

 

I completely agree with you, Sheelu. After all, learning happens in all the boards, how is more important. I believe learning through interesting and fun methods is learning forever. A child will never forget something he/she has enjoyed . Learning should be for life.

However, these methods work best at primary levels , and then pressure does build up.

Mcs

 


splinetol 2009-11-27 12:09:19

 

We educate a child gradually from the waist up and then gradually to one side of the brain- the left side, the analytical side.We give immense importance to math and sciences.

Most public education around the world, developed around the industrial revolution. Industry was hiring- anyone with math and sciences because it needed factory workers, and math and sciences was the top need. Also that gave way for a uniform clothing, working to the sound of a bell, punctuality- because of task interdependence, repetitive tasks etc etc. We were training factory workers!!

It’s been over 200 years since industrialism. The way we do business has changed. What we as industry need is different.

Innovation during industrialism was linked to sciences and math. We ran our factories back then stigmatizing mistakes, as that would escalate wastage, therefore we ran our education systems stigmatizing mistakes. WE STILL DO!

 

The most important job functions as well as highest paying, industry needs in the next 7 yrs do not exist today. The way business is going to unfold over the next 10 yrs around the world, NO person can predict. Our kids in school now will work for the next 50 yrs yet nobody knows what 5 yrs from now will be. Change is the only thing, which is sure. How do we deal with preparing them for life? The only thing you can predict is that change will take place. Change will take place faster and in faster cycles.

The only constant is change.

If this is the case, our kids need to learn, unlearn and re-learn to be relevant, as business cycles get shorter. The most important in that case is not math and sciences but the ability to INNOVATE. Innovation can no longer be linked to math and sciences although math and sciences are important, very important but not the most important anymore. The ability to INNOVATE is now the most important, with math and sciences second.

Innovation is a function of the right brain. The right brain is best trained through art, music, dance, writing. Yet in any school system we place it at the bottom of the pile.

A purely scientific education tends to make thought keen and clear sighted within certain limits, but narrow, hard and cold. Even in his own sphere the man without any training of the right brain can only progress in a settled groove; he cannot broaden the base of human culture or enlarge the bounds of science.

This is one of the largest reasons kids have muted emotional sides, and seek solace in violence and video games etc. Coz we are gradually conditioning them into a highly single sided education.  Over 200 years, man evolves into that!

Unfortunately, we look at art and any creative pursuits as mere refinements, luxuries of the rich and leisurely rather than things that are necessary to the mass of men or useful to life.

We have a tendency to depreciate the value of beautiful, and overstress the value of the useful.

I think, its time we at look at the arts and review them more seriously.

By neglecting ARTS (the ability to innovate) we are fighting nature. Sort of like a global warming of education.

 

navind 2009-11-27 17:50:45

 

hi splinetol...

appreciate the details and the very diff view you have put up....

but i guess slowly schools have realised this and like say euroschool they talked abt this concept and they term thr way as balanced learning....

sameway i heard abt sri sri whr in kids compulsorily takes part in drama, dance n other activities even its compulsory for both parents to take part in thr twice a year programs so that kids see there parents performing......

also similar aspect was talked by JK prinicpal in one of her article in DNA paper

but such activities form major part of pre primary n primary later on i suppose focus is shifted to more result oriented appraoch.....

take care....

 

schools i have mentioned are around mulund suburb of mumbai....

 

 

navind 2009-11-27 17:50:47

 

hi splinetol...

appreciate the details and the very diff view you have put up....

but i guess slowly schools have realised this and like say euroschool they talked abt this concept and they term thr way as balanced learning....

sameway i heard abt sri sri whr in kids compulsorily takes part in drama, dance n other activities even its compulsory for both parents to take part in thr twice a year programs so that kids see there parents performing......

also similar aspect was talked by JK prinicpal in one of her article in DNA paper

but such activities form major part of pre primary n primary later on i suppose focus is shifted to more result oriented appraoch.....

take care....

 

schools i have mentioned are around mulund suburb of mumbai....

 

 

navind 2009-11-27 17:50:49

 

hi splinetol...

appreciate the details and the very diff view you have put up....

but i guess slowly schools have realised this and like say euroschool they talked abt this concept and they term thr way as balanced learning....

sameway i heard abt sri sri whr in kids compulsorily takes part in drama, dance n other activities even its compulsory for both parents to take part in thr twice a year programs so that kids see there parents performing......

also similar aspect was talked by JK prinicpal in one of her article in DNA paper

but such activities form major part of pre primary n primary later on i suppose focus is shifted to more result oriented appraoch.....

take care....

 

schools i have mentioned are around mulund suburb of mumbai....

 

 

sheelurao 2009-11-30 14:40:33

 

The debate over CBSE or ICSE  will continue till the time the system breeds the tops down approach ..   I   feel sorry for parents who are asking questions like 

MY son/daughter is 3 years old and i want to find out which board will help him/her to do better in competitive exams? Imagine  a  parent worrying about  competitive exams  which the child will take up 14  years hence  in his life ! 

It could just be  a myth that children   from one board do better than the other board. I have myself come across children who have  done extremely well   academically  from state boards and children from ICSE / CBSE  board who  have  just remained as average  academically.  I want to point out that it is not just the board but also various other factors  extraneous and those intrinsic  to the child  the shapes ones life.  

I go with a very strong belief that  if  schools can build the joy of learning   at least in the early stages of the childs life (upto std 7 )  and not  make it a stressful  drugery which will close all windows of human learing ,  I think  the school  then can be labelled as successful school.  To do this the school has to really look  at Read the textbook culture" and explore  various other methodologies. 

Now let me put more facts into place. None of the boards prevent schools from innovating. The boards have no major role to play till the 7 th standard.  After that the schools essentially will follow   the prescribed  board textbooks for preparing children for Std 10th exams.Thats how many of the schools prescribe books other than the prescribed books in the lower classes. Example SSLc school may go for VIKAS PUBLICation in the lower classes but will start of with the SCERT books from 8th std and so on.

To me  major part of the chil's personality is formed  by then.

The next important question is  to address the merit of the boards. . When the NCERT which is a premier body  Is doing such a great job in making  learning   more joyful for children ,iIt would be totally unfair to point  at  CBSE  as an easier board . I am sure the ICSE will also give  a serious look at its curriculum . I read somewhere that they are planning to tone down the English syllabus. The same may happen with other subjects too.

I was having alook at the the projects prescribed bY CBSE. They are just wonderful according to me.     Even if the school does atrue job of delivering  80 % of the syllabus in its  right spirit, it can  add value to our child's life.

What's the point of functioning like  a robot when an adult..

What the point n learning complex equations  in biology when they are not sensitive and compassioate towrds their environemnt.. What's the point in doing Environmental science  when they still continue to look at environment dispassioantely .

I do not say one has to come as  a substitute for the other, but its high time schools give a thought  to the  deeper aspects of human soul than making  asuperficial refinement of the   chid's  brain .   Start questioning what you are are getting from the schools   than running behind trivia.

In the end I would like to say that children have an enormous potential to learn

(   learning in the true spirit and not cramming textbooks), and unless we  nurture this   potential,  we will be heading towards  a grave future. .

sheelu rao

     

 

 

 

 

splinetol 2009-11-30 16:26:44

 

I think the question one should be asking is not which board is better, but which school is open minded to make education more relevant to world we live in.

The nature of the education eco-system has developed in such a way that each school is an autonomous body and in all practicality it is only the last 2 yrs which is affiliated to a board, but has nothing to do with operations, dynamisms or outlook of a school otherwise.

I dont blame parents for wanting and expecting the best and at times being irrational. Only because of the way things have evolved over time.

What is needed is awareness! A common sense approach. Asking simple questions...such as 'what is ABC school doing to prepare my kid for life'? How are they making education relevant to the world we live in? We live in an age of information, knowledge and stimulants, our kids are growing up in that, we cannot isolate them from it...what is the schools role evolving into that?

I think these are questions each parent need to be asking, instead of math and sciences and IIT and IIM and medical etc etc. BUT...Parents have known only that and are goin to ask only that! It is the schools role to be innovative and take the lead and start to be dynamic and lead the way. That is the service they provide that is why parents send them to specialists of education and schools like any service are in a market place. It is expected of them be to competent to educate and deal with the task of innovating with regards to education. Those that are board run and rigid  and who do not innovate  will perish over time and those that innovate wil stay.

As a parent our role is to observe that. Other than that, let the education providers do their duty!

 

navind 2009-12-07 09:38:56

 

hi

great input dear sheelurao and splinetol...

guess most of them would be now clear with the concept and approach...

thanks again...

 

 

deepshan79 2009-12-07 16:24:13

 

Hi tan,

Euroschool at Airoli is conducting a seminar for parents. The seminar will have educationist provide information on the the three boards and about education. It's on 12th december. The ad had come in TOI of 6th december. Please check all TOI, Bombay times and mumbai mirror. Probably you can attend the seminar for more info.

 

 

 

 

tan 2009-12-07 16:36:59

 

Hi

Thanks Deepshan, Not only to me but i think it will help so many of us.

Sheelurao & splinetol thanks very nice approch to view the things.

i do agree with you that we dont know what is there in future, but we are always working for our best. So this is the concern for opting the School/ Board.

thanks all for giving such inputs and rolling the forum. It help all of us.

 

 

splinetol 2009-12-10 12:21:01

 

Look at this video! This is innovation.

http://www.ted.com/talks/pranav_mistry_the_thrilling_potential_of_sixthsense_technology.html

 

navind 2009-12-14 13:49:36

 

hi all,

did anyone attend this seminar?

if yes then whats the input or conclusion  ?

tc

 

 

 

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